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2024-10-22 15:38:57

thisismissem@hachyderm.io

@_elena @rysiek there was this post this morning… https://whtwnd.com/alexia.bsky.cyrneko.eu/3l727v7zlis2i

I think there's probably grains of salt to be had with it, of course though.

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2024-10-22 17:29:10

Kristian

z428@loma.ml

@Emelia 👸🏻 Thanks, interesting read. Actually, despite the still disputable take on decentralisation, I still consider ATProto/Bluesky to be ahead of ActivityPub when it comes to data portability (as in "not losing all your posts and comments if you have to move to a different instance"), and I'm way less applauding Bluesky for that than rather seriously wondering why ActivityPub specs have missed out on something as crucial ad that.

@Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 @Elena Rossini ⁂

2024-10-22 17:35:41

Emelia 👸🏻

thisismissem@hachyderm.io

@z428 @rysiek @_elena to be honest, there's a lot of things the AP specs either didn't define or poorly defined. E.g., there's no real description of how the Block activity should work in a ssrver to server context.

2024-10-22 17:46:51

Kristian

z428@loma.ml

@Emelia 👸🏻 Yes, I know. 😔 Data portability seems just the most striking and confusing example to me, also because solutions for that have been around and predate the AP spec and Mastodon, looking in example at Hubzilla. The Bluesky approach, too, of comparing "your personal data" to something like a git repository which "of course" is not tied to a hosting service like github or gitlab seems painfully obvious.

@Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 @Elena Rossini ⁂

2024-10-22 18:21:26

Elena Rossini ⁂

_elena@mastodon.social

@z428 thank you. could you please tell me more about Hubzilla and its data portability?

(I tried and loved Friendica and I'd been meaning to try Hubzilla too)

2024-10-22 19:13:28

Kristian

z428@loma.ml

@Elena Rossini ⁂ Very brief summary on that: In Hubzilla, you have your posts and communication living in a channel that can have multiple clones on different instances. So in case you lose access to your main instance (because it goes down or is discontinued or the admin decides to block you), you still have access to your history in there. In Mastodon or even Friendica, such a scenario would completely strip you of all your previous data as even though you can export your full history manually, you can't re-import this anywhere except for the contacts. In some systems like pixelfed, not even a full data export is possible. Not sure whether this is an individual requirement of mine but it feels very difficult from an "own your data" perspective. On Mastodon, there's a change request - https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/12423 - for that which hasn't been implemented yet.

cc @𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 and @Jupiter Rowland who know the Hubzilla details much better than I do. (Mostly Friendica/micro.blog user here.)

2024-10-22 19:42:39

morph ⌂

morph@hub.morphtown.de

@Kristian @Elena Rossini ⁂
The Forte project's goal is to put nomadic identity on top of ActivityPub.